LIVE UPDATES DAY 2: Oil Debate in Parliament
By Sheila Naturinda & Monitor Online Reporters (email the author)
Posted Tuesday, October 11 2011 at 02:26
Posted Tuesday, October 11 2011 at 02:26
2:26pm:- Ndungutse couldn’t do this alone and he worked with DPP on the matter and asked access for them to be able to investigate these allegations and these allegations Ndungutse wrote to a Mr Simpson (from British Metropolitan police) when Mr Simpson got the letter, he wrote back to Ndungutse on the Bank alleged to Kutesa’s.
• Vice president Ssekandi stands to speak: “Madam Speaker and Hon Members, am here to give some information on the matter that is being debated in this House. I must thank Members on the way you have made your contribution you seem to be patriotic and please continue. The information I want to give is that last year the president got some of the documents that were tabled here yesterday by Karuhanga and after some inquires Museveni involved the IGP in the inquiries who in turn thought the help of DPP because the allegations couldn’t be investigated without using foreign government. The Uganda police got information from the Malta police that the documents were fake. A contact between the Uganda police and Malta continues.
• Ssekandi says the DPP asked the Malta police to find our the named account from the bank but the response was that the accounts don’t exist. President is of the view that we let investigations to continue on the matter.
• Point of procedure (Barnabas Tinkasimire) having heard the information from VP and given the fact that one of the suspects is Foreign Affairs minister who facilities such international travels, and another person is Internal Affairs minister who controls and dispatches police to go and investigate. Do we expect to have credible information coming here purportedly to say what was presented by Karuhanga is a forgery. And how can we verify that theirs is not a forgery.
2:19pm:- Kutesa says people should fight corruption with facts lest if we use incorrect method of fighting corruption, we ourselves will be entrenching corruption instead of fighting. I have been in this House for many years of my life and I think we should give the House the dignity it deserves and get to the bottom to the matter.
• Kutesa says yesterday there was much constructive debates made and allegations made against persons and I was one of them. Karuhanga said he was a whistle blower and that he was prepared to die but must tell the truth.
• Kutesa pleads that he be allowed to talk. He repeats that Karuhanga was a whistle blower and indeed as a whistle blower he made allegations. That Karuhanga said Tullow paid me a bribe of a staggering 17million Euros. I have never seen anybody with such money and am aware many of us haven’t seen it.
• Kutesa says people should think back on what service he could have offered to deserve the 17m Euros. He says on the subject matter of Tullow and Sam Kutesa and Onek isnt new. That it has been here for more than a year. Karuhanga isn't the first whistle blower on the matter. He says the first whistle blower on the matter was Andrew Mwenda.
• Kutesa says Mwenda said documents he received were saying Kutesa received a bribe of 16.5m Euros. Mwenda reported the matter to police and that Onek has received from Tullow 6.5mEuros. an investigation was undertaken by Commission of police by Ndungutse at police and he tried to find out the veracity of these documents and the allegations.
2:11pm:- Speaker rules that he speaks and contributes to the motion.
• Kutesa says he welcomes the motion because it is healthy to debate public matters. The oil and gas industry is a public matter and ist therefore in the powers of parliament to debate it and I would like to associate myself with the debate.
• He says the motion has brought out good points like employing Ugandans and taxes- there were also allegations that some individuals were fleecing the country by dealing with companies and taking money. I think it is good to have a vibrant Parliament which keeps government accountable and important to have free debate. It is important to bring individuals accountable but do it factually and carefully.
• Kutesa says people should fight corruption with facts lest if we use incorrect method of fighting corruption, we ourselves will be entrenching corruption instead of fighting. I have been in this House for many years of my life and I think we should give the House the dignity it deserves and get to the bottom to the matter.
• Kutesa says yesterday there was much constructive debates made and allegations made against persons and I was one of them. Karuhanga said he was a whistle blower and that he was prepared to die but must tell the truth.
• Kutesa pleads that he be allowed to talk. He repeats that Karuhanga was a whistle blower and indeed as a whistle blower he made allegations. That Karuhanga said Tullow paid me a bribe of a staggering 17million Euros. I have never seen anybody with such money and am aware many of us haven’t seen it.
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